Discussion:
Harper's attack on old age pensions will be the end of his government
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"Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
2012-01-27 22:27:37 UTC
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There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next federal election if he tries
to make older people work even longer to reach their Old Age Pensions. Two governments played
with the idea of pension 'adjustments' before, and the outcry made them back off. In a way, I
hope Harper & Co do go ahead with this plan . . . . nothing would get rid of them more
quickly, and then the Opposition parties could run on a platform of UN-doing his legislation.
I guarantee Harper & Co would be gone forever.

Letters from Canadians to the media:
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January 27, 2012 5:16 PM

Letters: About those MP pensions

Re: “Harper vows to reform pensions” (Gazette, Jan. 27).

So Stephen Harper seems to be planning to shortchange millions of Canadians who contributed to
their “government-guaranteed” pension plans from the age of 18 to the promised retirement age
of 65, a total of almost 50 years of ponying up hard-earned cash. We need to remind him that
the money is ours, not the government’s. Had the funds been invested for the past 50 years, as
promised, and assuming the S&P 500 average return for the past 50 years of 11.7 per cent, there
would be far more than enough to return to Canadians the pensions they paid for. There would in
fact be a huge surplus.

Instead, successive governments have swallowed, not to say stolen, the money. Now, in a cynical
shell game, Harper is blaming the retirees who were the victims of government larceny. If
Harper truly had any intention of righting the wrongs, he would have started with two immediate
actions: first, stop funding the gold-plated pension plans that grant MPs $40,000 a year for
life after only six years of service; second, stop stealing our contributions. Put the current
contributions of Canadians, starting tomorrow, into investment funds, not the government’s
General Fund pork barrel.

Eldon Walsh, Pointe Claire

___________________________________

While our prime minister is hinting at extending the old-age-pension eligibility from 65 to 67,
he should also think of setting a good example by reforming those lucrative pensions that
retired MPs receive – $40,000 at age 55, guaranteed, after only six years of service. After 15
years in Parliament, the pension is a base of $75,000, going up to the $150,000 a year that
Gilles Duceppe receives. There’s gold in them thar Parliament Hills, but little for us miners.

Patrick Rosati, Mount Royal

__________________________________

It seems Stephen Harper has found a solution for the threat to social programs and services:
raising eligibility for Old Age Security from 65 to 67.

The life expectancy for most people is not much more than 67, so seeing that most people might
be dead at this point, his strategy might well work.

But I do not see why he doesn’t look at the nice pension he and his MP friends get after a
six-year term and do some serious slashing there.

Albert Coccia, Greenfield Park

_________________________________

Before Stephen Harper raises the retirement age to 67, which primarily extends the working life
of middle- and low-income Canadians, he should take a hard look at major changes to the overly
generous pensions government officials receive. These pensions are heavily subsidized by the
very people he is now saying have to continue working before they can start to collect their
pensions, which are meagre when compared his those of government officials.

The $40,000 pension after six years of work is disgusting. No one in the private sector has any
hope of retiring at $40,000 per year for life, starting at 55, after working for six years in
one job.

Harper needs to greatly reduce the public contribution and increase the age to start
collecting. Only then should he start discussing raising the retirement age of the rest of us
to 67.

Lorraine Hodgson, Montreal


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Dave Smith
2012-01-27 22:46:45 UTC
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Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next federal election if he tries
to make older people work even longer to reach their Old Age Pensions. Two governments played
with the idea of pension 'adjustments' before, and the outcry made them back off. In a way, I
hope Harper& Co do go ahead with this plan . . . . nothing would get rid of them more
quickly, and then the Opposition parties could run on a platform of UN-doing his legislation.
I guarantee Harper& Co would be gone forever.
Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that
would reduce qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family
reunification program. Now immigrants can bring over their parents who
never paid into the system that funds the pension. They also get free
medical care at a time in their lives when they will need more services,
and without having paid into it in their youth.

I wonder which plan Liberals think is more sustainable.

It won't make much difference to people with other pensions that deduct
old age pension from their pension payments. When I turn 65 I will get
$650 per month in old age pension, and my real pension drops by $650 per
month.
"Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
2012-01-27 23:25:00 UTC
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Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that would reduce
qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family reunification program. Now
immigrants can bring over their parents who never paid into the system that funds the
pension. They also get free medical care at a time in their lives when they will need more
services, and without having paid into it in their youth.
And the two governments which allowed the most numbers of immigrants into Canada during their
term in office?
The Mulroney government and the Stephen Harper government.

Ask them, not the "Liberals".
Canuck57
2012-01-29 00:32:14 UTC
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Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that would reduce
qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family reunification program. Now
immigrants can bring over their parents who never paid into the system that funds the
pension. They also get free medical care at a time in their lives when they will need more
services, and without having paid into it in their youth.
And the two governments which allowed the most numbers of immigrants into Canada during their
term in office?
The Mulroney government and the Stephen Harper government.
Ask them, not the "Liberals".
Government doesn't give sh1t about Canadians. And debt-tax slavery
Canada might be better than many other countries but not good enough we
can be picky at who we can let in. In fact, Canada takes almost anyone
as fast as we can as Canadian born birth rates are now well below 1.5
kids per family, a shrinking demographic.

And a shrinking population means less Ottawa, lower hosing costs and
deflated economy for less revenue, less GST, less income tax, less
excise and other taxes. Also means back room boys need to pay more for
labour. To Ottawa, shrinking is a cardinal sin.

So flood the market with cheap tax paying labour is the Ottawa strategy,
been that way for decades under Liberals and Conservatives alike.

Hey, someone has to pay that CPP/EI/Income/excise/hidden tax cash cow of
Ottawa.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.
Canuck57
2012-01-29 00:25:52 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next
federal election if he tries
to make older people work even longer to reach their Old Age Pensions.
Two governments played
with the idea of pension 'adjustments' before, and the outcry made
them back off. In a way, I
hope Harper& Co do go ahead with this plan . . . . nothing would get
rid of them more
quickly, and then the Opposition parties could run on a platform of
UN-doing his legislation.
I guarantee Harper& Co would be gone forever.
Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that
would reduce qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family
reunification program. Now immigrants can bring over their parents who
never paid into the system that funds the pension. They also get free
medical care at a time in their lives when they will need more services,
and without having paid into it in their youth.
I wonder which plan Liberals think is more sustainable.
It won't make much difference to people with other pensions that deduct
old age pension from their pension payments. When I turn 65 I will get
$650 per month in old age pension, and my real pension drops by $650 per
month.
Liberals screwed seniors plenty. More than we even know. Directing CPP
to bad politically based investments and below inflation returns wasn't
just a Cons game, Liberals did it plenty too. Raided the pensions just
like EI.....now some $350 billion in short falls and extorting workers
with higher employment taxes. In the end, everyone is screwed by Ottawa.

But government grows, was 25.5% of the budget to run all of government
is now 29%. Bigger, fatter, more inefficient and opulent than ever
before, wasting Canadians wealth like no other.

Government has us like slaves, our economic liberty lost to corrupt
government. Just politicians screwing us with a smile.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.
Barry Bruyea
2012-01-29 11:16:03 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:46:45 -0500, Dave Smith
Post by Dave Smith
Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next federal election if he tries
to make older people work even longer to reach their Old Age Pensions. Two governments played
with the idea of pension 'adjustments' before, and the outcry made them back off. In a way, I
hope Harper& Co do go ahead with this plan . . . . nothing would get rid of them more
quickly, and then the Opposition parties could run on a platform of UN-doing his legislation.
I guarantee Harper& Co would be gone forever.
Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that
would reduce qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family
reunification program. Now immigrants can bring over their parents who
never paid into the system that funds the pension. They also get free
medical care at a time in their lives when they will need more services,
and without having paid into it in their youth.
I wonder which plan Liberals think is more sustainable.
It won't make much difference to people with other pensions that deduct
old age pension from their pension payments. When I turn 65 I will get
$650 per month in old age pension, and my real pension drops by $650 per
month.
Whichever plan is or isn't brought into legislation, there is a cold,
hard reality here that far too many can't seem to grasp. The whole
concept of 'pensions' and the basic arithmetic involved is about 60
years outdated and nothing is going to change that. People live
longer past the present retirement age than was ever planned for when
the PTB figured, what the hell, he (not she) will live a year or two
after retirement, so, how much could it cost? Now the thinking has to
include is "she", as well as "he" and the former lives even longer
than 'he' and the money just isn't there.
M.I. Wakefield
2012-01-29 13:33:46 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
Whichever plan is or isn't brought into legislation, there is a cold,
hard reality here that far too many can't seem to grasp. The whole
concept of 'pensions' and the basic arithmetic involved is about 60
years outdated and nothing is going to change that. People live
longer past the present retirement age than was ever planned for when
the PTB figured, what the hell, he (not she) will live a year or two
after retirement, so, how much could it cost? Now the thinking has to
include is "she", as well as "he" and the former lives even longer
than 'he' and the money just isn't there.
When Otto von Bismark introduced retirement pensions to Germany in the
1880's, the retirement age was 70, and life expectancy was under 60 ...
retirement at 65 was introduced during World War I.

In 1935, when the US introduced retirement pensions, at age 65, life
expectancy was 61.7.

The US has already raised the retirement age, incrementally, for people born
after 1938 ... for people born in 1960 or later, it will be 67 ... Germany
and Britain are also raising the normal retirement age to 67.
Canuck57
2012-01-29 21:57:27 UTC
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Post by M.I. Wakefield
Post by Barry Bruyea
Whichever plan is or isn't brought into legislation, there is a cold,
hard reality here that far too many can't seem to grasp. The whole
concept of 'pensions' and the basic arithmetic involved is about 60
years outdated and nothing is going to change that. People live
longer past the present retirement age than was ever planned for when
the PTB figured, what the hell, he (not she) will live a year or two
after retirement, so, how much could it cost? Now the thinking has to
include is "she", as well as "he" and the former lives even longer
than 'he' and the money just isn't there.
When Otto von Bismark introduced retirement pensions to Germany in the
1880's, the retirement age was 70, and life expectancy was under 60 ...
retirement at 65 was introduced during World War I.
In 1935, when the US introduced retirement pensions, at age 65, life
expectancy was 61.7.
The US has already raised the retirement age, incrementally, for people
born after 1938 ... for people born in 1960 or later, it will be 67 ...
Germany and Britain are also raising the normal retirement age to 67.
So the real idea is to get your money and welsh.

Maybe a better idea is for everyone to have their own plan in their own
name. Leaving the choice, if you save enough fast enough you can retire
at 55.

But not everyones body is suitable to work past 60, even though they
might live longer.

Plus, if the money is really saved, minor adjustments are all taht is
needed. 3% interest on a million saved is $30,000/year for life to
50000 years old. Or $45,000 for a s much shorter period.

Real problem is government after 3+ decades of mismanagement has a
shortfall of $350 billion or so. Bad investments, returns less than
inflation, skimming, all take their toll. Including people who only pay
for 6 years and get full shot, just for vote pandering.

I agree, old and disabled are going to get screwed. But the reality is
at $1100/month in Canada they are already screwed. It isn't like Greece
that pays up to $4300/month CAD equivalent eligible at 55. (Which is why
they are bankrupt as it permeates their entire system).

And funny how government changes the rules after they get my money in
good faith for 35 years....I would have quadrupled the payout if it went
to my LIRA.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.
"Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
2012-01-29 21:52:57 UTC
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The US has already raised the retirement age, incrementally, for people born after 1938 ...
for people born in 1960 or later, it will be 67 ... Germany and Britain are also raising the
normal retirement age to 67.
That's what happens when countries spend their money on making wars instead of providing for
the old age of its own citizens.
Dave Smith
2012-01-29 16:08:48 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by Dave Smith
It won't make much difference to people with other pensions that deduct
old age pension from their pension payments. When I turn 65 I will get
$650 per month in old age pension, and my real pension drops by $650 per
month.
Whichever plan is or isn't brought into legislation, there is a cold,
hard reality here that far too many can't seem to grasp. The whole
concept of 'pensions' and the basic arithmetic involved is about 60
years outdated and nothing is going to change that. People live
longer past the present retirement age than was ever planned for when
the PTB figured, what the hell, he (not she) will live a year or two
after retirement, so, how much could it cost? Now the thinking has to
include is "she", as well as "he" and the former lives even longer
than 'he' and the money just isn't there.
There are a number of different issues there. First of all, they are
talking about Old Age Pension and CPP. In order to get CPP, you have to
have paid into it and you benefits depend on the number of years that
you contributed. Old Age Pension. You ave to be living here legally and
to have resided in Canada for only 10 years after turning 18. If you
immigrated, you have to have lived here for 20 years after turning 18.
These are not to be confused with the pensions for government employees.
The employees pay 8% of their gross into their pension plans.

A lot of that pension money is going out of the country, both to
immigrants who have returned to their home countries and Canadian born
people who have moved to sunnier climates. The pension money might not
be such a drain on our resources if it were at least kept in Canada to
help fund the wheels of our economy.
Barry Bruyea
2012-01-29 21:04:58 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:08:48 -0500, Dave Smith
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by Dave Smith
It won't make much difference to people with other pensions that deduct
old age pension from their pension payments. When I turn 65 I will get
$650 per month in old age pension, and my real pension drops by $650 per
month.
Whichever plan is or isn't brought into legislation, there is a cold,
hard reality here that far too many can't seem to grasp. The whole
concept of 'pensions' and the basic arithmetic involved is about 60
years outdated and nothing is going to change that. People live
longer past the present retirement age than was ever planned for when
the PTB figured, what the hell, he (not she) will live a year or two
after retirement, so, how much could it cost? Now the thinking has to
include is "she", as well as "he" and the former lives even longer
than 'he' and the money just isn't there.
There are a number of different issues there. First of all, they are
talking about Old Age Pension and CPP. In order to get CPP, you have to
have paid into it and you benefits depend on the number of years that
you contributed. Old Age Pension. You ave to be living here legally and
to have resided in Canada for only 10 years after turning 18. If you
immigrated, you have to have lived here for 20 years after turning 18.
These are not to be confused with the pensions for government employees.
The employees pay 8% of their gross into their pension plans.
A lot of that pension money is going out of the country, both to
immigrants who have returned to their home countries and Canadian born
people who have moved to sunnier climates. The pension money might not
be such a drain on our resources if it were at least kept in Canada to
help fund the wheels of our economy.
It is interesting that I read at one time (up until sometime in the
90's), you had to have lived in the country for 40 years after age 18.
Canuck57
2012-01-29 22:05:22 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:08:48 -0500, Dave Smith
Post by Dave Smith
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by Dave Smith
It won't make much difference to people with other pensions that deduct
old age pension from their pension payments. When I turn 65 I will get
$650 per month in old age pension, and my real pension drops by $650 per
month.
Whichever plan is or isn't brought into legislation, there is a cold,
hard reality here that far too many can't seem to grasp. The whole
concept of 'pensions' and the basic arithmetic involved is about 60
years outdated and nothing is going to change that. People live
longer past the present retirement age than was ever planned for when
the PTB figured, what the hell, he (not she) will live a year or two
after retirement, so, how much could it cost? Now the thinking has to
include is "she", as well as "he" and the former lives even longer
than 'he' and the money just isn't there.
There are a number of different issues there. First of all, they are
talking about Old Age Pension and CPP. In order to get CPP, you have to
have paid into it and you benefits depend on the number of years that
you contributed. Old Age Pension. You ave to be living here legally and
to have resided in Canada for only 10 years after turning 18. If you
immigrated, you have to have lived here for 20 years after turning 18.
These are not to be confused with the pensions for government employees.
The employees pay 8% of their gross into their pension plans.
A lot of that pension money is going out of the country, both to
immigrants who have returned to their home countries and Canadian born
people who have moved to sunnier climates. The pension money might not
be such a drain on our resources if it were at least kept in Canada to
help fund the wheels of our economy.
It is interesting that I read at one time (up until sometime in the
90's), you had to have lived in the country for 40 years after age 18.
Would not doubt it. Liberals/NDP pandered to every minority abuser out
there and probably changed it.

The USA system isn't bad. You have to earn 40 points to get full
benefits be it take you 10 years (minimum) or 4000 years. So you can't
just come, sit on your arse on welfare or as an idle arse and expect to
collect at 60/65...

Points you get are based on income taxes paid. So if you pay the
maximum full shot of employment taxes to the max, you get 4 points. You
pay 1/2 the employment taxes, you get 2 points. But 40 points to
collect full, if less than 40 points the benefits decline rapidly and
exponentially, 1/2 the points is 1/8 the payout.

Must less abuse and higher payouts for those that earned it. Much
better than the Canadian system. BTW, USA counts this as part of their
national debt, Canada does not. So to compare, add $350B to the $600B
for the feds to get almost a trillion of federal debt.

Government owes CPP a boost.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.
"Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
2012-01-29 21:53:00 UTC
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There are a number of different issues there. First of all, they are talking about Old Age
Pension and CPP. In order to get CPP, you have to have paid into it and you benefits depend
on the number of years that you contributed. Old Age Pension. You ave to be living here
legally and to have resided in Canada for only 10 years after turning 18.
That's if you're a full-time resident of Canada. If you're an immigrant or emigree, you have
to have lived in Canada for 20 years to collect our pensions in a foreign country. Quite a
drop from the old requirement of '40 years after the age of 18'. . . . and probably a big
reason why that pension fund is now considered to be in trouble.

And as for the CPP . . . . someone who contributed A SINGLE premium into the fund can collect
CPP after retiring. . . . living IN Canada or outside of Canada. Another loophole that should
have been closed by Harper & Co before he went gunning for full-time, hard-working Canadians

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If one of the two scenarios listed below describes your situation, you may be eligible to
receive the Old Age Security pension.

Scenario 1 - People living in Canada

a.. You must be 65 years of age or older.
b.. You must live in Canada and be a Canadian citizen or a legal resident at the time we
approve your pension application.
c.. You must have lived in Canada for at least 10 years after turning 18.

Scenario 2 - People living outside Canada

a.. You must be 65 years of age or older.
b.. You must have been a Canadian citizen or a legal resident of Canada the day before you
left Canada.
c.. You must have lived in Canada for at least 20 years after turning 18.

++++++++++++++++++++++
Qualification:
The second criteria is you must have made at least one valid contribution (payment) into Canada
Pension Plan.

Note: If you are a non-resident of Canada for income tax purposes, your CPP payment may be
subject to non-resident tax up to a maximum of 25% of the gross benefit amount. The tax rate
depends on the country where you live. If your income is low, you can apply for a reduction in
the tax withholding rate.

++++++++++++++++++++++
A lot of that pension money is going out of the country, both to immigrants who have returned
to their home countries and Canadian born people who have moved to sunnier climates. The
pension money might not be such a drain on our resources if it were at least kept in Canada
to help fund the wheels of our economy.
_________________________________

Immigrants and their families have been using the game of having a SINGLE address in Canada
which they say they've lived at for umpteen years. Any government data base would expose that
that would mean about a hundred and twenty people living in that single-family residence. NO
government organization has ever pursued that obvious residency fraud - even when they're made
aware of it. This I know for fact.

And yeah, you're right about a whole lot of our pension money being bled out to fraudsters
living in other countries. It would have been too much to expect the incompetents at Harper &
Co to close that loophole before punishing Canadians for their own government blundering,
wouldn't it ?
Ed Carpenter
2012-01-29 16:20:23 UTC
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Post by Dave Smith
Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next federal election if he tries
to make older people work even longer to reach their Old Age Pensions.  Two governments played
with the idea of pension 'adjustments' before, and the outcry made them back off.  In a way, I
hope Harper&  Co do go ahead with this plan . . . .  nothing would get rid of them more
quickly, and then the Opposition parties could run on a platform of UN-doing his legislation.
I guarantee Harper&  Co would be gone forever.
Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that
would reduce qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family
reunification program.
"liberals"? or New Democrats?

Please don't associate Liberals with the far left. Even Harper moved
to the centre from his reform days, replacing the Liberals and won the
support of Canadians. The NDP is the far left, not "Liberals". I'm
a Liberal, a former Progressive Conservative, but there is no way in
Hell that I'm a New Democrat socialist. I strongly oppose many of
their views. This isn't the USA where there are two solitudes.

And then go to Manitoba, where the NDP rules. They aren't f**king
socialists at all.
Dave Smith
2012-01-29 17:34:06 UTC
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Post by Ed Carpenter
Post by Dave Smith
Please tell me more about the Liberal plans for government pensions that
would reduce qualification time for immigrants arriving under the family
reunification program.
"liberals"? or New Democrats?
Please don't associate Liberals with the far left.
Who said anything about the far left. It was a Liberal MP who proposed
changes that would drop the qualification time for collecting old age
pension to only three years. She lives in a riding full of Asians, and
they are using the family reunification program to bring their parents
to Canada and want them to be able to collect old age pensions that they
never paid into.
Post by Ed Carpenter
Even Harper moved
to the centre from his reform days, replacing the Liberals and won the
support of Canadians. The NDP is the far left, not "Liberals". I'm
a Liberal, a former Progressive Conservative, but there is no way in
Hell that I'm a New Democrat socialist. I strongly oppose many of
their views. This isn't the USA where there are two solitudes.
Okay.... you win that argument you are having with your alter ego about
who the far west. I never mentioned them. I mentioned a Liberal idea
because it was proposed by a Liberal.
Canuck57
2012-01-29 00:20:10 UTC
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Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next federal election if he tries
to make older people work even longer to reach their Old Age Pensions. Two governments played
with the idea of pension 'adjustments' before, and the outcry made them back off. In a way, I
hope Harper& Co do go ahead with this plan . . . . nothing would get rid of them more
quickly, and then the Opposition parties could run on a platform of UN-doing his legislation.
I guarantee Harper& Co would be gone forever.
It is why I spoiled my ballot, the only choices on the ballot was who
was going to screw me.

So I wrote on it "I need better choices".

Flaperty/Carney talk of Canada bailing out IMF/Europe corruption while
saying less health care and pension screwing sort of is treason of sorts.

Liberal-socialists pander to losers who contributed nothing to Canada,
pander to the good for nothing able bodied leaches while ignoring middle
class workers and to hell with seniors and the truly disabled.

Screwing already started. IMF gets billions from Canada. Greece,
retirement 55, 80% of the wages up to the CAD equivalent of $4300/month.
Canada, 1% raise to a $1100 is max....a real screwing.

Sending money too Ottawa is like investing in NorTel, they get the money
and screw you over.

Not very small c conservative, under Harper government GA costs (total
cost of running government) have gone from a wasteful 25.5% to a whopper
of 29% of even more waste. Pure government consumption gone mad. No
wonder Ontario and Quebec can't compete, you pay government of one level
or another more of your wealth than 95% of the world! Yep, pay lots and
get little in return.

But you have big fat inefficient ineffective government you can't afford
as your grand kids get the debt and seniors get the inflation screwing.

Bottom line, f-ck Ottawa. They are all corrupt. Time to question why
we pay Ottawa for this nonsense of broken promises after they get the
money from your debt-tax slave career.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.
Nobody
2012-01-29 01:38:43 UTC
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Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next
federal election if he tries to make older people work even longer
to reach their Old Age Pensions.
The Canadian government suggested strongly that European countries
should do just this.
It would he VERY hypocritical for the Canadian government to NOT
consider the same measures.

Then again, you know all about hypocrisy, don't you KKKaren?
Canuck57
2012-01-29 22:13:53 UTC
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Post by Nobody
Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
There is no way that the Harper government will survive the next
federal election if he tries to make older people work even longer
to reach their Old Age Pensions.
The Canadian government suggested strongly that European countries
should do just this.
It would he VERY hypocritical for the Canadian government to NOT
consider the same measures.
Then again, you know all about hypocrisy, don't you KKKaren?
Given the Canadian max pension rate is less that 1/4 of that of Greece,
I would say Canadian pensioners are already f-u-c-k-e-d.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.
"Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
2012-01-29 23:18:29 UTC
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Then again, you know all about hypocrisy, don't you KKKaren?
How's that "X-No-archive" working out for you, mr nobody? Shows a whole lot of courage for
your own postings, doesn't it?
I guess you should know all about hypocrisy yourself.
Nobody
2012-01-29 23:52:02 UTC
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Post by Nobody
Then again, you know all about hypocrisy, don't you KKKaren?
How's that "X-No-archive" working out for you, mr nobody? Shows a
whole lot of courage for your own postings, doesn't it?
When you get a clue about how usenet actually works KKKaren, you can
start complaining.

Until then, keep talking about things you know nothing about and look
like a fool as usual.
Post by "Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
I guess you should know all about hypocrisy yourself.
I sure do. I watch you doing it on a daily basis.
"Ç%" <Ç%@can.ca>
2012-01-29 23:59:13 UTC
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When you get a clue about how usenet actually works KKKaren, you can
start complaining.
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