Discussion:
So, how do you like your private medical coverage ?
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{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-24 22:49:39 UTC
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If you're covered by both your provincial health program, like MSP,
OHIP, AHS, etc. you likely also have private coverage from the likes of
Manulife, Great-West Life, Pacific Blue Cross, Sun Life, etc.

Look at WHY you're paying more for less from these private healthcare
providers - almost all of which are headquartered in the United States.

Same old, same old . . . give it to the private sector and you WILL get
screwed over. And take a look at the recommendations for changing
what's going wrong.
Remember 'MSA' in British Columbia?
______________________________________

CBC News Posted: Mar 24, 2014

Private health insurance in Canada deemed inefficient
People either pay higher private health insurance premiums or get lower
wages due to claim gap


About 60 per cent of Canadians are covered by private health insurance
for health-care services such as prescription drugs. (Jacques
Boissinot/Canadian Press)

Private health insurance should be better regulated in Canada, say
researchers who found the gap between premiums and payouts in claims
reached $6.8 billion in 2011.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
About 60 per cent of Canadians are covered by private health insurance
for health-care services such as prescription drugs, health-care
economists say. Most are insured through their employers, with
for-profit firms dominating the industry, said study author Michael Law
of the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research at the University
of British Columbia in Vancouver.

"When we looked across the for-profit insurers in Canada over the past
20 years, for the plans that are typically bought by individuals and
small- or medium-sized employers, there was a pretty dramatic change in
the gap between the premiums people paid in and the benefits that got
paid back to them," Law said in an interview.

"Whereas Canadians were paying in a dollar and getting 92 cents back in
1991, they were paying a dollar and getting 74 cents in 2011."

Canadians need to realize those costs are ultimately passed on to them
directly in higher premiums or indirectly as lower wages, Law stressed.
Obamacare insurance model

While most health care in Canada is paid for publicly, Law’s team said
private health insurance plays a major supporting role, particularly for
prescription drugs, dental services and eye care. The expenditures
totalled $22.7 billion in 2010 or about 12 per cent of health-care
spending, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information.

In the U.S., when a greater share of premium revenues goes toward
administration and profits, under the Affordable Care Act, known as
Obamacare, the excess has to be rebated to plan members to the tune of
$1.1 billion in 2012. . . .
Canada has no such requirement, the study’s authors noted in a study
published Monday’s in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, titled
"The increasing inefficiency of private health insurance in Canada."

"We ought to consider regulating private insurance more effectively and
I think the U.S. can provide a pretty good model because based on our
numbers, Americans are now actually doing better than Canadians in terms
of how much they're getting back out of their health insurance plan,"
Law said.
Options for better value

The study's authors said governments could take a couple of approaches
to improving the situation: replace private insurance with more
efficient public alternatives, or impose new regulations on the private
insurance sector.

For prescription drugs, the authors said evidence supports savings from
universal public coverage at a societal level. Regulation, such as
provincial requirements for more transparency on non-medical spending
from private insurance firms, would likely give Canadians better value,
they said.

Law said when he started to see the findings, small business owners
expressed frustrations to him about how their costs generally rose one
or two per cent every year, benefits were going up five to 15 per cent
every year.

When Jeff Chatterton of Kitchener, Ont., looked into health insurance
coverage for his family, he decided the expense wasn’t worth it for
himself, his wife and sons, aged four and six.

“We were around $200 a month, and $2,400 buys a whole lot of dental care
and orthotics,” in a year, said Chatterton, owner of Checkmate Public
Affairs, which specializes in crisis communications for the travel and
tourism industry.

"The math didn't just not make sense. It didn't make any sense."

Chatterton said he'd like to have health insurance and he'd reconsider
if the price went down or his family's needs change.

The researchers analyzed 20 years of reports from the Canadian Life and
Health Insurance Association and adjusted for inflation.

The association said without private insurance coverage, pressures on
scarce public resources would be greater.

The group called the study "misleading." In an email, a spokeswoman for
the industry group said the researchers did not include data from the
not-for-profit sector. As well, the group said that including income
replacement benefits, such as disability and critical illness insurance
that are not health-care expenses, "further skews the data."

Law countered that he wanted to look at for-profit insurance only for an
apples-to-apples comparison. He said the association itself groups data
such as critical illness insurance as related to health.

The research was funded by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research.
Law has consulted for Health Canada on unrelated pharmaceutical policy
research.
Alan Baker
2014-03-24 23:19:28 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
If you're covered by both your provincial health program, like MSP,
OHIP, AHS, etc. you likely also have private coverage from the likes
of Manulife, Great-West Life, Pacific Blue Cross, Sun Life, etc.
Look at WHY you're paying more for less from these private healthcare
providers - almost all of which are headquartered in the United States.
Same old, same old . . . give it to the private sector and you WILL
get screwed over. And take a look at the recommendations for changing
what's going wrong.
Remember 'MSA' in British Columbia?
Perhaps there's a more fundamental question to ask, Karen:

If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...

...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
M.I.Wakefield
2014-03-24 23:40:49 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...
...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
Prescription drugs, dentists, and eye-care ... the healthcare plan was the
difference between retiring at 50 and at 55 or 60.
Alan Baker
2014-03-24 23:47:35 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by Alan Baker
If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...
...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
Prescription drugs, dentists, and eye-care ... the healthcare plan was
the difference between retiring at 50 and at 55 or 60.
Oh, I understand it very well...

:-)
{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-25 00:23:34 UTC
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Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by Alan Baker
If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...
...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
Prescription drugs, dentists, and eye-care ... the healthcare plan was
the difference between retiring at 50 and at 55 or 60.
No, private healthcare plans in British Columbia became necessary when a
rightwing government (Social Credit) replaced two supplemental public
plans with a private insurer, Pacific Blue Cross.
And our medical system has never been the same since. . . . British
Columbians are paying more and more for drugs, services and premiums
than they ever have before. And more services have been 'de-listed' and
are now not covered at all.

And that's what the topic of this thread was all about . . . private
companies making huge profits at the expense of those who are paying
their ever-rising premiums, and ever-falling coverages.
Dhu on Gate
2014-03-25 02:13:22 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by Alan Baker
If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...
...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
Prescription drugs, dentists, and eye-care ... the healthcare plan was
the difference between retiring at 50 and at 55 or 60.
No, private healthcare plans in British Columbia became necessary when a
rightwing government (Social Credit) replaced two supplemental public
plans with a private insurer, Pacific Blue Cross.
And our medical system has never been the same since. . . . British
Columbians are paying more and more for drugs, services and premiums
than they ever have before. And more services have been 'de-listed' and
are now not covered at all.
And that's what the topic of this thread was all about . . . private
companies making huge profits at the expense of those who are paying
their ever-rising premiums, and ever-falling coverages.
Without adequate regulation Private Bureaucracies can be vastly more
wasteful than public services.

Dhu
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Alan Baker
2014-03-25 02:13:50 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by M.I.Wakefield
Post by Alan Baker
If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...
...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
Prescription drugs, dentists, and eye-care ... the healthcare plan was
the difference between retiring at 50 and at 55 or 60.
No, private healthcare plans in British Columbia became necessary when
a rightwing government (Social Credit) replaced two supplemental public
plans with a private insurer, Pacific Blue Cross.
And assuming this actually happened (your record for honesty not being
very good)...
Post by {~_~} Раиса
And our medical system has never been the same since. . . . British
Columbians are paying more and more for drugs, services and premiums
than they ever have before. And more services have been 'de-listed'
and are now not covered at all.
...then why didn't your sainted NDP change it back?

They were in power from 1991 to 2001, yet you claim our system still
isn't "the same".
Nobody
2014-03-25 18:58:42 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by {~_~} Раиса
If you're covered by both your provincial health program, like
MSP, OHIP, AHS, etc. you likely also have private coverage from
the likes of Manulife, Great-West Life, Pacific Blue Cross, Sun
Life, etc.
Look at WHY you're paying more for less from these private
healthcare providers - almost all of which are headquartered in
the United States.
Same old, same old . . . give it to the private sector and you
WILL get screwed over. And take a look at the recommendations
for changing what's going wrong.
Remember 'MSA' in British Columbia?
If the public health care system is supposed to be so great...
...why does anyone bother to buy additional private insurance?
Well, I have a additional plan and that way I get covered for 100%.

Blue cross is 50-80% i believe depending on what service.
{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-25 19:47:08 UTC
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Post by Nobody
Well, I have a additional plan and that way I get covered for 100%.
No you don't. NO PLAN in Canada covers "for 100%".
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-25 09:35:35 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
If you're covered by both your provincial health program, like MSP,
OHIP, AHS, etc. you likely also have private coverage from the likes of
Manulife, Great-West Life, Pacific Blue Cross, Sun Life, etc.
Look at WHY you're paying more for less from these private healthcare
providers - almost all of which are headquartered in the United States.
The three largest you mentioned (Manulife, Sun Life, Great West Life
{part of Power Corp}) are Canadian Companies headquartered in Canada.
Once again your natural tendency to be both wrong and stupid blatantly
shows itself).
Post by {~_~} Раиса
Same old, same old . . . give it to the private sector and you WILL get
screwed over. And take a look at the recommendations for changing
what's going wrong.
Remember 'MSA' in British Columbia?
______________________________________
CBC News Posted: Mar 24, 2014
Private health insurance in Canada deemed inefficient
People either pay higher private health insurance premiums or get lower
wages due to claim gap
About 60 per cent of Canadians are covered by private health insurance
for health-care services such as prescription drugs. (Jacques
Boissinot/Canadian Press)
Private health insurance should be better regulated in Canada, say
researchers who found the gap between premiums and payouts in claims
reached $6.8 billion in 2011.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
About 60 per cent of Canadians are covered by private health insurance
for health-care services such as prescription drugs, health-care
economists say. Most are insured through their employers, with
for-profit firms dominating the industry, said study author Michael Law
of the Centre for Health Services and Policy Research at the University
of British Columbia in Vancouver.
"When we looked across the for-profit insurers in Canada over the past
20 years, for the plans that are typically bought by individuals and
small- or medium-sized employers, there was a pretty dramatic change in
the gap between the premiums people paid in and the benefits that got
paid back to them," Law said in an interview.
"Whereas Canadians were paying in a dollar and getting 92 cents back in
1991, they were paying a dollar and getting 74 cents in 2011."
Canadians need to realize those costs are ultimately passed on to them
directly in higher premiums or indirectly as lower wages, Law stressed.
Obamacare insurance model
While most health care in Canada is paid for publicly, Law’s team said
private health insurance plays a major supporting role, particularly for
prescription drugs, dental services and eye care. The expenditures
totalled $22.7 billion in 2010 or about 12 per cent of health-care
spending, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information.
In the U.S., when a greater share of premium revenues goes toward
administration and profits, under the Affordable Care Act, known as
Obamacare, the excess has to be rebated to plan members to the tune of
$1.1 billion in 2012. . . .
Canada has no such requirement, the study’s authors noted in a study
published Monday’s in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, titled
"The increasing inefficiency of private health insurance in Canada."
"We ought to consider regulating private insurance more effectively and
I think the U.S. can provide a pretty good model because based on our
numbers, Americans are now actually doing better than Canadians in terms
of how much they're getting back out of their health insurance plan,"
Law said.
Options for better value
The study's authors said governments could take a couple of approaches
to improving the situation: replace private insurance with more
efficient public alternatives, or impose new regulations on the private
insurance sector.
For prescription drugs, the authors said evidence supports savings from
universal public coverage at a societal level. Regulation, such as
provincial requirements for more transparency on non-medical spending
from private insurance firms, would likely give Canadians better value,
they said.
Law said when he started to see the findings, small business owners
expressed frustrations to him about how their costs generally rose one
or two per cent every year, benefits were going up five to 15 per cent
every year.
When Jeff Chatterton of Kitchener, Ont., looked into health insurance
coverage for his family, he decided the expense wasn’t worth it for
himself, his wife and sons, aged four and six.
“We were around $200 a month, and $2,400 buys a whole lot of dental care
and orthotics,” in a year, said Chatterton, owner of Checkmate Public
Affairs, which specializes in crisis communications for the travel and
tourism industry.
"The math didn't just not make sense. It didn't make any sense."
Chatterton said he'd like to have health insurance and he'd reconsider
if the price went down or his family's needs change.
The researchers analyzed 20 years of reports from the Canadian Life and
Health Insurance Association and adjusted for inflation.
The association said without private insurance coverage, pressures on
scarce public resources would be greater.
The group called the study "misleading." In an email, a spokeswoman for
the industry group said the researchers did not include data from the
not-for-profit sector. As well, the group said that including income
replacement benefits, such as disability and critical illness insurance
that are not health-care expenses, "further skews the data."
Law countered that he wanted to look at for-profit insurance only for an
apples-to-apples comparison. He said the association itself groups data
such as critical illness insurance as related to health.
The research was funded by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research.
Law has consulted for Health Canada on unrelated pharmaceutical policy
research.
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{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-25 19:53:37 UTC
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The three largest you mentioned (Manulife, Sun Life, Great West Life
{part of Power Corp}) are Canadian Companies headquartered in Canada.
Once again your natural tendency to be both wrong and stupid blatantly
shows itself).
I don't know whether to continue thinking you're just a bitter, stupid
old man - or a very lazy one.
You don't research anything you comment on - but dare to post your
opininions here anyway.

You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-25 20:00:37 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
The three largest you mentioned (Manulife, Sun Life, Great West Life
{part of Power Corp}) are Canadian Companies headquartered in Canada.
Once again your natural tendency to be both wrong and stupid blatantly
shows itself).
I don't know whether to continue thinking you're just a bitter, stupid
old man - or a very lazy one.
You don't research anything you comment on - but dare to post your
opininions here anyway.
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
I understand completely, you understand nothing. You are clearly and
idiot.
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{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-25 20:28:22 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
I understand completely, you understand nothing. You are clearly and
idiot.
But that makes you delusional. And that's the worst kind of idiot.
Alan Baker
2014-03-25 20:33:04 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by {~_~} Раиса
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
I understand completely, you understand nothing. You are clearly and
idiot.
But that makes you delusional. And that's the worst kind of idiot.
So clear up his delusions for the benefit of others, Karen.

Tell us of the history of ManuLife and show that it is the
"headquartered in the US".
Alan Baker
2014-03-25 20:35:08 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by {~_~} Раиса
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
I understand completely, you understand nothing. You are clearly and
idiot.
But that makes you delusional. And that's the worst kind of idiot.
Oh, and BTW:

ManuLife
Corporate Headquarters
Manulife Financial Corporation
200 Bloor Street East
Toronto, ON
Canada M4W 1E5
Phone: 416-926-3000
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-26 09:39:38 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by {~_~} Раиса
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
I understand completely, you understand nothing. You are clearly and
idiot.
But that makes you delusional. And that's the worst kind of idiot.
You've been caught in another lie and offer idiotic replies based on
what you say and don't prove. Carry on, idiot.
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{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-26 22:11:49 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
You've been caught in another lie and offer idiotic replies based on
what you say and don't prove. Carry on, idiot.
No, you've been caught by the tail - and swung around by it again.
Carry on, flunky of the lying trolls.
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-27 09:23:36 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
You've been caught in another lie and offer idiotic replies based on
what you say and don't prove. Carry on, idiot.
No, you've been caught by the tail - and swung around by it again.
Carry on, flunky of the lying trolls.
You get more pathetic with every post and are no doubt a pathological
liar.
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2014-03-27 20:15:14 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
No, you've been caught by the tail - and swung around by it again.
Carry on, flunky of the lying trolls.
You get more pathetic with every post and are no doubt a pathological
liar.
Yep. So is everyone who dislikes Israel and the jews who support it.
We're ALL pathological liars. And our numbers are growing . . . .
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-27 20:20:05 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
Post by {~_~} Раиса
No, you've been caught by the tail - and swung around by it again.
Carry on, flunky of the lying trolls.
You get more pathetic with every post and are no doubt a pathological
liar.
Yep. So is everyone who dislikes Israel and the jews who support it.
We're ALL pathological liars. And our numbers are growing . . . .
Yes, you have many Russians behind you, just as many Nazis support
your cause.
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{~_~} Раиса
2014-03-27 20:41:36 UTC
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Yes, you have many Russians behind you, just as many Nazis support
your cause.
Cite?

(^_^)
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-28 08:32:10 UTC
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Post by Barry Bruyea
Yes, you have many Russians behind you, just as many Nazis support
your cause.
Cite?
Take your choice of your own posts.
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Alan Baker
2014-03-27 20:52:28 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
No, you've been caught by the tail - and swung around by it again.
Carry on, flunky of the lying trolls.
You get more pathetic with every post and are no doubt a pathological
liar.
Yep. So is everyone who dislikes Israel and the jews who support it.
We're ALL pathological liars. And our numbers are growing . . . .
Such a small-minded bigot...
Alan Baker
2014-03-25 20:01:08 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by Barry Bruyea
The three largest you mentioned (Manulife, Sun Life, Great West Life
{part of Power Corp}) are Canadian Companies headquartered in Canada.
Once again your natural tendency to be both wrong and stupid blatantly
shows itself).
I don't know whether to continue thinking you're just a bitter, stupid
old man - or a very lazy one.
You don't research anything you comment on - but dare to post your
opininions here anyway.
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
Funny...

...you're the one making the claims...
Barry Bruyea
2014-03-26 09:38:22 UTC
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Post by {~_~} Раиса
Post by Barry Bruyea
The three largest you mentioned (Manulife, Sun Life, Great West Life
{part of Power Corp}) are Canadian Companies headquartered in Canada.
Once again your natural tendency to be both wrong and stupid blatantly
shows itself).
I don't know whether to continue thinking you're just a bitter, stupid
old man - or a very lazy one.
You don't research anything you comment on - but dare to post your
opininions here anyway.
You need to look up the CEOs, the Board of Directors, the history and
the home headquarters of the above companies.
Not just the address of offices they've set up in Canada - and thus
named 'Canadian headquarters'. Did you understand that, Bruyea?
Funny...
...you're the one making the claims...
Just imagine, Karen making an unsubstantiated claim. Who'd thought?
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2014-03-26 22:12:40 UTC
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Just imagine, Karen making an unsubstantiated claim. Who'd thought?
Don't try the 'thinking' part, Bruyea. . . . let the others do it for
you, as usual.
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