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ALL provinces should refrain from destroying gun registry records . . . .
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"%" %@proud.ca>
2012-04-05 01:06:59 UTC
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Until this issue is finalized pending Quebec's challenge.

And "this federal government" has driven MANY groups and individuals to the courts. Many times
those groups and individuals won.
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April 3, 2012

Quebec says an unco-operative Ottawa drove conflict to courts

Battle between federal government and province over gun registry and Air Canada's aircraft
maintenance operations


The Conservative promise of consensus-building "open federalism" towards Quebec has evolved
into a climate of confrontation where Ottawa and the province are set to clash again before the
courts.

This time the conflict involves the gun registry and Air Canada's aircraft maintenance
operations - in both cases, Quebec says it was being pushed to the brink because of Ottawa's
refusal to co-operate.

On Tuesday, the Quebec government announced it was seeking an injunction to prevent Ottawa from
destroying data from the gun registry once the bill abolishing the registry receives royal
assent this week. Quebec is seeking an injunction to challenge the federal government's
jurisdiction regarding the gun registry data over which the province claims part ownership and
which it wants to use to set up its own registry.

"It is a common registry," Justice Minister Jean-Marc Fournier said. "The federal government
seems to want to stop the provinces from using the data to set up their own gun registry. This
is the opposite of co-operation, it is a denial of co-operation and it violates our right to
exercise our jurisdiction."

If co-operative federalism is to make any sense, Mr. Fournier argued it must be backed by a
political will from Ottawa to work with the provinces. The case of the gun registry, he added,
is a clear illustration of the lack of co-operation that has so often characterized the
Conservative government in Ottawa.

"This is proof that in this case the federal government doesn't want collaboration. And what we
are saying is that [the federal government] cannot decide that," Mr. Fournier said.

Quebec is taking aim at Ottawa on another front as well - to save the 1,800 jobs at the
insolvent Aveos Fleet Performance Inc., the aircraft maintenance company which closed down
operations last month. Aveos handled the maintenance of Air Canada's aircrafts.

Mr. Fournier argued the 1988 federal law known as the Air Canada Public Participation Act which
allowed for the privatization of the airline required the carrier to maintain operational and
overhaul centres in Montreal, Winnipeg and Mississauga.

Quebec sent a legal notice to the airline on Tuesday demanding that it explain "in a detailed
and satisfactory way" how it intends to comply with the law. The airline was given 10 days to
respond. If Quebec concludes that Air Canada fails to meet its legal obligation, Mr. Fournier
said legal action will taken against the airline. Quebec may also take aim at the federal
government for refusing to enforce the law.

"The simplest thing would be for everyone to say: There are obligations, so let's meet them,"
Mr. Fournier said.

The federal government released a legal opinion claiming that Air Canada has not violated the
1988 act. Mr. Fournier said Quebec doesn't agree with Ottawa's assessment.

"It's the appropriate time to verify whether we are all on the same page regarding this legal
obligation that we find in the law. And if in 10 days we don't get a satisfactory clarification
on this we will go before the courts," Mr. Fourner said. "We want Air Canada to tell us how it
plans to respect the legal obligations adopted [in 1988] by Ottawa."



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M.I. Wakefield
2012-04-05 01:14:40 UTC
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Post by "%" %@proud.ca>
Until this issue is finalized pending Quebec's challenge.
And "this federal government" has driven MANY groups and individuals to
the courts. Many times those groups and individuals won.
The provinces don't have any gun registry records; they're all Federal.

Back in 1999 and 2000, Alberta (and other provinces) sought a Supreme Court
reference, because, they argued, the gun registry law related to personal
property, and therefore was within the jurisdiction of the provinces, not
the Federal government..

They lost. The Supremes declared that gun registration was within the
criminal law power of the Federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_re_Firearms_Act


C-19 has been passed by the Senate: 50 for, 27 opposed.

All that awaits is Royal Assent ... which could happen as early as tomorrow,
and the setting of the Coming Into Force date.
Chom Noamsky
2012-04-05 01:26:48 UTC
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Post by M.I. Wakefield
Post by "%" %@proud.ca>
Until this issue is finalized pending Quebec's challenge.
And "this federal government" has driven MANY groups and individuals
to the courts. Many times those groups and individuals won.
The provinces don't have any gun registry records; they're all Federal.
Shhh... don't spoil the fun. The last time this topic came up the
dingbat stated that anyone with query access could just print the
database out on hardcopy and take it home with them.
Post by M.I. Wakefield
Back in 1999 and 2000, Alberta (and other provinces) sought a Supreme
Court reference, because, they argued, the gun registry law related to
personal property, and therefore was within the jurisdiction of the
provinces, not the Federal government..
They lost. The Supremes declared that gun registration was within the
criminal law power of the Federal government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_re_Firearms_Act
C-19 has been passed by the Senate: 50 for, 27 opposed.
All that awaits is Royal Assent ... which could happen as early as
tomorrow, and the setting of the Coming Into Force date.
One little command...

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"%" %@proud.ca>
2012-04-05 19:53:51 UTC
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Post by M.I. Wakefield
The provinces don't have any gun registry records; they're all Federal.
Too bad they've been compiled from provincial sources, hmmm? I guess that's why Quebec got its
injunction today.
M.I. Wakefield
2012-04-05 19:39:24 UTC
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Post by M.I. Wakefield
The provinces don't have any gun registry records; they're all Federal.
Too bad they've been compiled from provincial sources, hmmm? I guess
that's why Quebec got its injunction today.
If the data was compiled from provincial sources, Quebec would have their
data, and wouldn't need to go to court.
Chom Noamsky
2012-04-05 20:14:13 UTC
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Post by M.I. Wakefield
The provinces don't have any gun registry records; they're all Federal.
Too bad they've been compiled from provincial sources, hmmm? I guess
that's why Quebec got its injunction today.
If the data was compiled from provincial sources, Quebec would have
their data, and wouldn't need to go to court.
Stating the obvious just makes it angry.
Cons@minority%
2012-04-05 22:06:13 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by M.I. Wakefield
If the data was compiled from provincial sources, Quebec would have
their data, and wouldn't need to go to court.
Stating the obvious just makes it angry.
No . . . happy . . . :-} Quebec got its injunction and the decision will have an effect on
ALL provinces. August at the earliest.
Cons@minority%
2012-04-05 22:04:10 UTC
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If the data was compiled from provincial sources, Quebec would have their data, and wouldn't
need to go to court.
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works.
Dave Smith
2012-04-05 22:20:49 UTC
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Post by M.I. Wakefield
Post by M.I. Wakefield
The provinces don't have any gun registry records; they're all Federal.
Too bad they've been compiled from provincial sources, hmmm? I guess
that's why Quebec got its injunction today.
If the data was compiled from provincial sources, Quebec would have
their data, and wouldn't need to go to court.
If other provinces had their own registries they would probably find a
way to share the data. It's a pity they concentrate their resources on
tracking down the illegal handguns used by gangs, which are responsible
for the majority of firearms homicides. To their credit, Toronto cops
and their guns and gangs squad did that last year and shootings
homicides are down 40% this year.
Cons@minority%
2012-04-06 00:02:17 UTC
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If other provinces had their own registries they would probably find a way to share the data.
It's a pity they concentrate their resources on tracking down the illegal handguns used by
gangs, which are responsible for the majority of firearms homicides.
Sounds like a common-sense place to "concentrate their resources" - the root of the majority of
homicides.
So much for the 'open borders' direction of the Harper government, eh?

To their credit, Toronto cops
and their guns and gangs squad did that last year and shootings homicides are down 40% this
year.
Most of those guns - a huge majority - are coming in from our 'good neighbour to the south'.
Let the bloody Americans start paying for the costs of restricting those handguns. They don't
like our marijuana? We don't like their guns.

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